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		<title>By: Kelly @ Wisdom Begun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly @ Wisdom Begun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you to both The Happy Housewife and The Happier Husband for showing Godly, loving attitudes despite that mean-spirited attack.

I grew up in a military family.  My father was a warrant officer.  There were 8 of us children at the time.  We couldn&#039;t &quot;afford&quot; the 8 kids because of his pay (we could afford them because God provided!).  Military pay is often terrible.  I will never understand where people get the idea that military families are rich.

Thank you, sir, and the Happy family, for your service to our country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you to both The Happy Housewife and The Happier Husband for showing Godly, loving attitudes despite that mean-spirited attack.</p>
<p>I grew up in a military family.  My father was a warrant officer.  There were 8 of us children at the time.  We couldn&#8217;t &#8220;afford&#8221; the 8 kids because of his pay (we could afford them because God provided!).  Military pay is often terrible.  I will never understand where people get the idea that military families are rich.</p>
<p>Thank you, sir, and the Happy family, for your service to our country.</p>
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		<title>By: Rita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 07:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have some friends who have recently hit hard times. This was a family that was able to purchase everything they or their kids wanted. Even though they spent tons of money on themselves, they were also very generous to the people in their lives. Now they are losing their home and their way of life is about to change dramatically. The part that makes it even worse is that they have completely cut their friends from their lives. My husband and I don&#039;t care how much money they have. We just like being around them - good conversation, good company. It really saddens me to see our good friends blocking themselves off from those who care about them most because of embarrassment over finances. And it&#039;s not like we&#039;re waving money in their faces. We are far from wealthy ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have some friends who have recently hit hard times. This was a family that was able to purchase everything they or their kids wanted. Even though they spent tons of money on themselves, they were also very generous to the people in their lives. Now they are losing their home and their way of life is about to change dramatically. The part that makes it even worse is that they have completely cut their friends from their lives. My husband and I don&#8217;t care how much money they have. We just like being around them &#8211; good conversation, good company. It really saddens me to see our good friends blocking themselves off from those who care about them most because of embarrassment over finances. And it&#8217;s not like we&#8217;re waving money in their faces. We are far from wealthy ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: gail</title>
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		<dc:creator>gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post!  great comments!  this has been an issue with us, as our finances took a drastic downward turn after my hubby&#039;s accident, loss of company, living on ssi, etc etc.  he is going back to school and in a year will hopefully be back in the job market.  we have found out who our true friends are.  and my family has been wonderful.  the last few Christmas&#039; we have had to beg out and that has not been pretty.  

but even so, we are slowly climbing out of debt which is important to us.  and we are finding creative ways to have fun without spending alot.  one thing this has shown us is our values are different from others, as would be expected.  we like movies, eating out, and taking drives (gas $$), but we dont&#039; spend $$ on new clothes, expensive haircuts (i cut my son and hubby&#039;s hair), expensive vacations, etc etc.  for the most part i like my life and am content with where i am, but i couldn&#039;t do this without the Lord.  He has helped me so much with learning to be content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great post!  great comments!  this has been an issue with us, as our finances took a drastic downward turn after my hubby&#8217;s accident, loss of company, living on ssi, etc etc.  he is going back to school and in a year will hopefully be back in the job market.  we have found out who our true friends are.  and my family has been wonderful.  the last few Christmas&#8217; we have had to beg out and that has not been pretty.  </p>
<p>but even so, we are slowly climbing out of debt which is important to us.  and we are finding creative ways to have fun without spending alot.  one thing this has shown us is our values are different from others, as would be expected.  we like movies, eating out, and taking drives (gas $$), but we dont&#8217; spend $$ on new clothes, expensive haircuts (i cut my son and hubby&#8217;s hair), expensive vacations, etc etc.  for the most part i like my life and am content with where i am, but i couldn&#8217;t do this without the Lord.  He has helped me so much with learning to be content.</p>
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		<title>By: momstheword</title>
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		<dc:creator>momstheword</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, thank you for the sacrifice that you and all military families make so that we can have the freedoms we have.

Second, my husband once had a job where they always seemed to be asking for money to buy someone a gift.  Birthdays, anniversarys, or just chip in to buy pizza, donuts.  

It really cut into our budget and at first he tried to give, but then it just kept happening and we couldn&#039;t afford it.

So finally, he would tell the person that he was sorry but he just didn&#039;t have the extra money for it.

The person standing next to him sounded relieved and admitted that she couldn&#039;t afford it either.

I have a friend who jokes about shopping with me.  She jokes she saves money when she does, lol!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, thank you for the sacrifice that you and all military families make so that we can have the freedoms we have.</p>
<p>Second, my husband once had a job where they always seemed to be asking for money to buy someone a gift.  Birthdays, anniversarys, or just chip in to buy pizza, donuts.  </p>
<p>It really cut into our budget and at first he tried to give, but then it just kept happening and we couldn&#8217;t afford it.</p>
<p>So finally, he would tell the person that he was sorry but he just didn&#8217;t have the extra money for it.</p>
<p>The person standing next to him sounded relieved and admitted that she couldn&#8217;t afford it either.</p>
<p>I have a friend who jokes about shopping with me.  She jokes she saves money when she does, lol!</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thumbs up for the Happier Husband!

There&#039;s nothing like being part of a husband-wife team with the same goals.  My husband convinced me (read: ReluctantMom) to homeschool during our last overseas tour.  When we wanted to keep on going, he supported us 100%, even though he knew he was giving up new cars, dinners out, private time, etc. so I could stay home.  I am blessed because my husband wants our children to have my time - and he&#039;s willing to work hard to make that happen.

No family situation is easy.  I always suggest that couples look at their situation at least once per year, seriously and without kids around.

I feel sad that April doesn&#039;t understand why Happy and Happier are happiest being debt-free.  It&#039;s everyone&#039;s choice, obviously, but why worry about the choice of someone besides yourself?  I know first-hand how much military families give up.  It&#039;s easy to justify almost anything in light of those sacrifices.  The right path differs from family to family.  I would never presume to tell any friends (religious persuasion aside) that their belief systems are wrong or evil.

Happy and Happier are personal friends and I can assure you they never, ever try to impose their views on their friends.  They lead by example - they live their lives, hoping to inspire others.  I&#039;m sure they inspire many to question the secular world around them and to look to Christ for the best possible example.

An aside to April - please check your facts.  You don&#039;t seem to know much about military pay and benefits.  Our dental insurance is not free, for example.  We pay monthly for it, and have co-pays as well.  We get one free eye exam per year but pay all of our glasses/contacts expenses out of pocket.  Junior enlisted folks don&#039;t make enough to cover family food expenses (check the food stamp and WIC stats if you don&#039;t believe me!) if they have medium-to-large-size families.  It&#039;s a disgrace, considering we ask our active duty and reservist members to put their lives on the line every day they are deployed, and then some.

Perhaps you&#039;ve read misleading information about U.S. military pay and benefits.  I can refer you to http://usmilitary.about.com if you would like up-to-date information about any pay-related issues.

Meanwhile, April, please consider that freedom from debt IS a good thing, albeit hard-won, because you are in a position to spend your paychecks to benefit your family first.  No, it&#039;s not everything, but it&#039;s pretty liberating all the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thumbs up for the Happier Husband!</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing like being part of a husband-wife team with the same goals.  My husband convinced me (read: ReluctantMom) to homeschool during our last overseas tour.  When we wanted to keep on going, he supported us 100%, even though he knew he was giving up new cars, dinners out, private time, etc. so I could stay home.  I am blessed because my husband wants our children to have my time &#8211; and he&#8217;s willing to work hard to make that happen.</p>
<p>No family situation is easy.  I always suggest that couples look at their situation at least once per year, seriously and without kids around.</p>
<p>I feel sad that April doesn&#8217;t understand why Happy and Happier are happiest being debt-free.  It&#8217;s everyone&#8217;s choice, obviously, but why worry about the choice of someone besides yourself?  I know first-hand how much military families give up.  It&#8217;s easy to justify almost anything in light of those sacrifices.  The right path differs from family to family.  I would never presume to tell any friends (religious persuasion aside) that their belief systems are wrong or evil.</p>
<p>Happy and Happier are personal friends and I can assure you they never, ever try to impose their views on their friends.  They lead by example &#8211; they live their lives, hoping to inspire others.  I&#8217;m sure they inspire many to question the secular world around them and to look to Christ for the best possible example.</p>
<p>An aside to April &#8211; please check your facts.  You don&#8217;t seem to know much about military pay and benefits.  Our dental insurance is not free, for example.  We pay monthly for it, and have co-pays as well.  We get one free eye exam per year but pay all of our glasses/contacts expenses out of pocket.  Junior enlisted folks don&#8217;t make enough to cover family food expenses (check the food stamp and WIC stats if you don&#8217;t believe me!) if they have medium-to-large-size families.  It&#8217;s a disgrace, considering we ask our active duty and reservist members to put their lives on the line every day they are deployed, and then some.</p>
<p>Perhaps you&#8217;ve read misleading information about U.S. military pay and benefits.  I can refer you to <a href="http://usmilitary.about.com" rel="nofollow">http://usmilitary.about.com</a> if you would like up-to-date information about any pay-related issues.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, April, please consider that freedom from debt IS a good thing, albeit hard-won, because you are in a position to spend your paychecks to benefit your family first.  No, it&#8217;s not everything, but it&#8217;s pretty liberating all the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Serenity's Husband</title>
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		<dc:creator>Serenity's Husband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 03:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the happier husband.
Hooah! I was glad to see you stand up for your wife. Sometimes we are afraid to confront others around us when necessary. So I was greatly encouraged by your righteous indignation. Enough is enough. Although I am new to your forum, I believe I speak for most of the members of this community. Thanks for showing patience, strength and courage in the face of personal attacks and malice. You and your family inspire us to be better than we are. May God richly bless you and your family.
-Serenity&#039;s husband</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the happier husband.<br />
Hooah! I was glad to see you stand up for your wife. Sometimes we are afraid to confront others around us when necessary. So I was greatly encouraged by your righteous indignation. Enough is enough. Although I am new to your forum, I believe I speak for most of the members of this community. Thanks for showing patience, strength and courage in the face of personal attacks and malice. You and your family inspire us to be better than we are. May God richly bless you and your family.<br />
-Serenity&#8217;s husband</p>
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		<title>By: staci @ teaching money to kids</title>
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		<dc:creator>staci @ teaching money to kids</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What annoys me, are friends that work, and spend and work and spend, and then tell me that I am lucky to get to stay home with my kids, that they would never be able to afford it.  Luck has nothing to do with it.  You make decisions.  I would rather stay home with my kids, than go out to eat, or whatever.  Being frugal isn&#039;t even the point.  It is being deliberate with your priorities.  Living on purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What annoys me, are friends that work, and spend and work and spend, and then tell me that I am lucky to get to stay home with my kids, that they would never be able to afford it.  Luck has nothing to do with it.  You make decisions.  I would rather stay home with my kids, than go out to eat, or whatever.  Being frugal isn&#8217;t even the point.  It is being deliberate with your priorities.  Living on purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go THH! You are a Godly man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go THH! You are a Godly man.</p>
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		<title>By: Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Happier Husband! First of all.. Thank you. Being a military sister, I worry when my brother may go anywhere. So I can only imagine what THH and kids must feel. Your post says it all. Now, I for one am not a religious person. And yes I live in debt. Because of losing my job, I actually know how April feels in the money dept. Everyday when the mortgage company calls, or the credit cards we used to survive that we maxed out. But I made that bed. I will continue to use tips and tricks and everything I can think of to fix what is OUR fault. BUT--I have NEVER once felt that THH has ever said we needed to be like you. I love reading the tips and tricks you have formed over the years. And have actually started using some of them. I agree that yes you do make good money. Most would kill for it.(not literally lol) BUT-- I think about it this way....I have 2 children you have 7. So add it up.. It averages to be almost the same per person in the house. From your pay to ours. Kinda like the cost of a house :) Here my house is under 100,000--in Cali a house like mine is over 200,000. It all averages out pretty close to the same. 
You are a inspiration. And I love that THH and yourself share your lives with us. 
I think its about time for some people to look within themselves and find why they are so bitter. Because at the end of the day..We are each responsible for our own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Happier Husband! First of all.. Thank you. Being a military sister, I worry when my brother may go anywhere. So I can only imagine what THH and kids must feel. Your post says it all. Now, I for one am not a religious person. And yes I live in debt. Because of losing my job, I actually know how April feels in the money dept. Everyday when the mortgage company calls, or the credit cards we used to survive that we maxed out. But I made that bed. I will continue to use tips and tricks and everything I can think of to fix what is OUR fault. BUT&#8211;I have NEVER once felt that THH has ever said we needed to be like you. I love reading the tips and tricks you have formed over the years. And have actually started using some of them. I agree that yes you do make good money. Most would kill for it.(not literally lol) BUT&#8211; I think about it this way&#8230;.I have 2 children you have 7. So add it up.. It averages to be almost the same per person in the house. From your pay to ours. Kinda like the cost of a house <img src='http://thehappyhousewife.com/frugal-living/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Here my house is under 100,000&#8211;in Cali a house like mine is over 200,000. It all averages out pretty close to the same.<br />
You are a inspiration. And I love that THH and yourself share your lives with us.<br />
I think its about time for some people to look within themselves and find why they are so bitter. Because at the end of the day..We are each responsible for our own.</p>
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		<title>By: DeniseC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeniseC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all, 
We are not military and are grateful for their dedication and service. We are small business owners that are trying to survive this downfall in economy. We all have our own crosses to bear but the bottom line we pick what we do because its best for us at that time in life. I hate when my employees snub their nose at me when we replaced my dodge caravan with a lincoln navigator. we could afford it and it was the logical choice for our next vehicle according to our plan. If we can afford something and it is planned we should be able to do it. We don&#039;t take pricey vacations or eat out. I cook all our meals and only but clothes for my dd&#039;s when they grow out of their clothes and their is no hand me downs. I have been cost conscience and still practice it because in the end I feel better when I do get to ride my LN to the beach on the weekends with my kids and their friends. Off to make bagel pizza homemade of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,<br />
We are not military and are grateful for their dedication and service. We are small business owners that are trying to survive this downfall in economy. We all have our own crosses to bear but the bottom line we pick what we do because its best for us at that time in life. I hate when my employees snub their nose at me when we replaced my dodge caravan with a lincoln navigator. we could afford it and it was the logical choice for our next vehicle according to our plan. If we can afford something and it is planned we should be able to do it. We don&#8217;t take pricey vacations or eat out. I cook all our meals and only but clothes for my dd&#8217;s when they grow out of their clothes and their is no hand me downs. I have been cost conscience and still practice it because in the end I feel better when I do get to ride my LN to the beach on the weekends with my kids and their friends. Off to make bagel pizza homemade of course.</p>
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